Hokuto ([info]hokuto) wrote,
@ 2003-04-10 22:58:00
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Religion, Morality and Ethics -- It's the Whole Kit and Caboodle
As I sat in English class this morning, listening to Mr. Tyner explain certain themes contained within Paradise Lost, I began to think about how strange it is that I've always had a fascination with literature and myths of a religious nature..

Not that I've ever claimed to be normal but for a girl that has never vested her faith in religion, I certainly do enjoy works that revolve around, at the very least, an acknowledgement of God. The same can be said in regards to many of my favorite films: The Prophecy, Boondock Saints, Dogma, Se7evn and The Devil's Advocate, just to name a few.

Yet, all of those aforementioned objects have one thing in common when it comes to religion; each explores, on one level or another, the darker, more thought provoking aspects of God and the belief structures that have been built around such beings.

Which, to be blunt, makes for some rather interesting ideas ^^

As for my love of myths, the Greek and Roman Gods of old have always fascinated me, even before I got hooked on Hercules and Xena as a kid ^^ If nothing else, there's something rather refreshing about deities we're not expected to accept as all knowing and all wonderful.

Getting back to the period that spawned this particular train of thought, I have to say that I was rather shocked to hear certain things said against an article that found its way into the latest edition of my school's newspaper. Not even getting into the exact details of the piece, a lot of people seem to believe that a well-written editorial based completely on fact should have been suppressed merely because it goes against current popular opinion.

Now, I'm not saying that one must agree with everything he reads but individuals in general need to respect a little thing known as freedom of the press. Yet, one girl, an AP student, went so far as to say that the principal shouldn't have allowed it to be in the paper in the first place.

Why advocate such censorship? It was true, it had to do with an issue that pertains to school, and it was based around a well informed opinion. Last time I checked, that's what editorials were all about. To be quite honest, I applaud the person responsible for not apologizing to anyone for her article, despite the stupid remarks fellow classmates have made about it.

If anything, I do believe that getting people to think to the point that they're actually, in some way, emotional about an issue is the mark of a pretty fine journalist.

Of course, this is the very same school that in one breath gets upset about free speech but in the next makes it a requirement that I write a couple of letters to marines over in Iraq. Mind you, this is something that I've been told I need to do in order to get a passing grade in my gym class.

As much as I'm for the safe return of our troops, the fact that such an assignment is mandatory and for gym class, no less, strikes me as being very, very wrong. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around whatever logic may be behind it...




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[info]loseyourself15
2003-04-10 09:04 pm UTC (link)
you rule. wow i cant believe she went off on me like that... "theres things i could pinpoint about you that you wouldnt want written in the paper" <-- like what? she knows nothing about me... gah! anyway, thanks.

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[info]hokuto
2003-04-10 09:15 pm UTC (link)
theres things i could pinpoint about you that you wouldnt want written in the paper"

That's what got me as well. For one thing, unless she was secretly in on the computer hijacking or porn uploading, what precisely about your article offended her? I mean, you do something that ranks up there with criminal offenses and it involves the school then you've set your actions up as being a fodder for the paper. Besides, you didn't even name names, which was beyond polite.

As for her comment about things you've done, I have no idea what she could be referring to. Last time I checked there was quite a difference between whatever you've done that she may be thinking of and acts by students that are basically crimes.

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[info]sakurakasugano
2003-04-10 09:07 pm UTC (link)
It's not so weird that you like movies with Religious undertones. I think it would be weird if you were like...extremely religious and you like said movies.

Me, I've been baptized Catholic, and while I'm not a hardcore religious person, I love those kinds of movies just because they bring up some good points or express their feelings about religion in a very cool and unique way. (I still think Dogma makes a lot of good points about the Catholic religion.)

And hell, I don't need to tell you why I love Boondock Saints or Se7en. Those are just INCREDIBLE movies.

As for the newspaper thing...it is just their opinion...Why get so worked up? You either agree or you don't, you know? Don't go insane on the person just because you can't agree.

And the gym class thing is just retarded.

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[info]lurkergrrl
2003-04-11 03:14 pm UTC (link)
I'm a sort of hardcore religious person (I go to church every Sunday, and study the Bible, and pray a lot, and read books about God, and all that) and I *love* weird religious movies and books. Sometimes I think they're wrong or misinformed about certain things, but I love them all the same. I guess that makes me pretty strange, but I don't really care. :) I like exploring my relationship with God, and that includes being open to new ways of looking at it.

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[info]hokuto
2003-04-11 05:23 pm UTC (link)
I guess that makes me pretty strange, but I don't really care.

Nah, judging from you last sentence especially, I'd say that makes you open minded. Which, of course, is a great thing to be ^^

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[info]sakurakasugano
2003-04-11 06:18 pm UTC (link)
I think it depends on the person as well. I guess what I mean to say is someone extremely religious and yet, not open to other ideas. My mom is said person, who doesn't like must of those weird religious films.

I think it's great that you're open to different ways of looking at it though.

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[info]hokuto
2003-04-11 04:32 pm UTC (link)
Dogma is fantastic in how it explores religion. The fact that it wasn't afraid to touch on certain "touchy" issues and did so in an intelligent yet hysterical way makes me love it so ^^

Speaking of Boondock Saints, it seems some students in my AP English Literature class are pushing for it to be played on the bus when they head to the airport for their Germany trip. Mr. Tyner, our teacher and the main chaperone, is going to preview it first though to see if it's "appropriate." Only considering the fact that IMDB has the counted the word "fuck" as appearing 238 times throughout the movie, I'm guessing it doesn't past the test ^^

Still, knowing few students in my class realize how great it is makes me very happy. Only thing that would make me happier is if I could see my teacher's reactions as he watches it XD

The article thing still blows my mind. I mean, if editorials weren't meant to get people to think and at least rile a few individuals up then what would the point of them be? Supposedly there's a petition going around now against her article. What it's meant to accomplish, I don't know.

I am rather tempted to make my next article be about "freedom of the press" though..

The gym class thing definitely ranks up there as one of the stupidest things my school has decided we need to do.


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[info]loseyourself15
2003-04-11 07:59 pm UTC (link)
you are mistaken, dear.. they werent trying to convince him to show boondock saints on the bus, but in class, after the AP exam -- where you would be able to enjoy it as well.

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[info]senorcrunchy
2003-04-11 08:20 pm UTC (link)
Boondock Saints would be incredibly kickass on the bus, though. Great movie...
-Alex

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[info]hokuto
2003-04-11 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Ooo..well, in that case, I'll certainly help fight for our right to watch it ^^

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[info]sakurakasugano
2003-04-12 11:18 am UTC (link)
I wish I remembered Chris Rock's speech about Religion when they were eating the hamburgers...because that was one of the best explorations of religion I've heard. I think he's right, in a way.

I'm guessing that Boondock Saints didn't make it either, but it's neat to know how many people are into the film.

So, we all know how I came to like the Saints, how did you hear about the movie?

I know, to make a point, yes, you're going to end up pissing a few people off...that's life, get over it. Sometimes people just overreact...

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[info]hokuto
2003-04-12 12:40 pm UTC (link)
Well, here's the movie's script so feel free to snatch up the Rufus quotage ^^

I also love this part:

METATRON: Exactly like that, but different. So one day, Loki's wiping out all the first born of Egypt...

BETHANY: The Tenth Plague.

METATRON: Tell a person you're the Metatron and they stare at you blankly; mention something out of a Charlton Heston movie and they're suddenly theology scholars. May I continue uninterrupted?


..as it's so true ^^

You know, I can't exactly recall how I heard about BDS as I technically wanted to see the movie months before I ever got a chance to. I'm quite sure it was due to something I accidentally stumbled upon online though and I have a kid in my art class to thank for me finally seeing it as he let me know Blockbuster actually had it.

I looked before talking to him and never could find it. As for asking the people that work there, they're less helpful than the dust coating the rugs inside the store. Even with their computers, they're clueless. I had a friend ask if they had the movie Se7en once and the lady working there replied, "No, but we have Eight."

When my friend asked what exactly was eight, the lady got all blinky and replied that she had no idea.

Well, okay then.

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[info]sakurakasugano
2003-04-12 03:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm probably a lot like Bethany. I go to church, and yet sometimes, I just don't know why.

"I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant..."

that's the quote I really liked. Thanks for the link. ^_^

we...have Eight..? What a dork...I mean, come on, that movie came out when I was 12 and I still remember it...good lord. Why work in a place you don't really belong? You work in a video store, you should know something about videos. Or at least how to look it up in the computer! Crazy lady.

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[info]pinksaltines
2003-04-10 09:24 pm UTC (link)
If anything, I do believe that getting people to think to the point that they're actually, in some way, emotional about an issue is the mark of a pretty fine journalist.

Yup. :) Sometimes you get good feedback and sometimes you get negative feedback, but any feedback is good because it shows that not only are people reading your stuff, but also that you've managed to strike a chord with them. :D

That being said, however, anybody considering a career in journalism is going to want to work on developing a relatively thick skin, since you'll be criticized frequently in that particular line of work. :(

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[info]hokuto
2003-04-11 04:40 pm UTC (link)
Well, seeing as I'm seriously considering becoming a journalist after college, I best start making sure my hide is strong enough now ^^

The thing that annoys me most about the article situation though isn't the fact that people don't agree with what she wrote and, thus, are all up in arms about it. That I could totally understand. It's just that so many people think she shouldn't have written it in the first place, that it shouldn't have got in the paper, that the principal should have nixed it and so on.

The fact that these people are totally overlooking freedom of the press and voting for censorhip can't help but get under my skin just bit.

Guess that hide of mine isn't thick enough yet, huh? And I didn't even write the damn thing XD

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[info]pinksaltines
2003-04-11 10:00 pm UTC (link)
Well, seeing as I'm seriously considering becoming a journalist after college, I best start making sure my hide is strong enough now ^^

Well, it's actually been kind of an ongoing process for me...and I still have a ways to go yet! -_-;

It's just that so many people think she shouldn't have written it in the first place, that it shouldn't have got in the paper, that the principal should have nixed it and so on.

Well, replace the word "principal" with "editor" and you'll have some idea of the people reporters get to deal with at times. Of course, then there are people who phone and say nice things, which is the upside. ;)

But yeah, there seem to be quite a few people out there who are all for freedom of speech, but only as it pertains to them, and as long as they agree with what other people are saying. ;p

If those people are bothered by her exercising her freedom of speech so much, they should exercise their freedom of speech and write letters to the editor.

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[info]kitsunepixiemd
2003-04-11 04:06 am UTC (link)
That's very, very bizarre. I hate it when school officials push their political agendas on their students, no matter what spectrum they represent.

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[info]zrolimit
2003-04-11 08:38 am UTC (link)
i'm exactly the same way with movies. i love films that make you take a step back and analyze everyday things like your own spirituality. it's intense...

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[info]icyham
2003-04-11 11:50 am UTC (link)
I share your sentiments on religious-themed literature, but like you, I prefer if it's.. unconventional? And I definitely like other beliefs, Norse mythology being one of my favorites.

If nothing else, there's something rather refreshing about deities we're not expected to accept as all knowing and all wonderful.

You'd probably enjoy Norse for that. In fact, I'll relate to you one of the more amusing stories.. it's a bit hazy because I read this a while ago, but you'll get the basic idea. Thor, Loki I believe, and maybe one other went on a quest. They had to find the home of a certain giant, which they did, and they wanted his cauldron. (It was really big and magic or something, and.. you'll see.) Now, I forget why, but the giant gave Thor a crystal goblet and challenged him to break it. (Maybe he said he'd give the cauldron if he broke it? Possibly..) Thor tried smashing it on the floor or wall and it wouldn't break. Then Loki, or companion #3, suggested to him - 'Just smash it on the hardest thing in this room - the giant's head.' I found this to be a terribly amusing joke, especially in the middle of an ancient myth.. ^^ So anyway, Thor does hurl the goblet at the giant's head, and it shatters. Then something something, Thor kills the giant and takes the cauldron all the way home.

Now, here's where it gets really good. Why did Thor go on this adventure for a cauldron? Why, so Aegir could brew ale in it and throw extravagant beer parties, of course. ^^;;; One of these parties is the setting for another good myth, basically Loki slandering a lot of the gods and goddesses. I don't remember it clearly, but let's just say his accusations were.. not for virgin ears ^^


Oh, and of course, there was the time Thor went crossdressing...

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[info]hokuto
2003-04-11 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Unconventional works for me as well, it just usually dips into the other two aspects I listed more ^^

From what I know about the Norse mythology and what you just added, I do find it to be rather interesting. I actually say through an entire car ride once where somsone kept telling me Norse myth after Norse myth. It was rather surreal, to say the least ^^

Have you ever read Neil Gaiman's Sandman comics? The Norse, particularly Loki, pop up in it ^^

Speaking of tales, I think the whole torture bit with Loki, his wife, the bowl and the snake is definitely up there when it comes to twisted myths ^^

Can't say I heard the one about him crossdressing though XD

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[info]inthevast
2003-04-11 02:53 pm UTC (link)
OMG another Norman Reedus fan! *squees* LOL
you know he kissed Alan Rickman in Dark Harbor?
By the way- if you like greek mythology- i have to recomend norse.
Oh- i got extra credit for writing a letter to this guy who got wounded overseas- and while it does seem wrong, it might make him a little happier, or something.

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[info]hokuto
2003-04-11 05:02 pm UTC (link)
::echoes your squee-ing reaction:: Ack, its so great that you're a fan of his as well! ^^

He kissed Alan Rickman in Dark Harbor..? Okay, as if I didn't need to see that before merely because he was in it, I'm now on a mission to get my hands on a copy XD

Sadly enough though, Dark Harbor was on HBO a few weeks back and I completely missed it as my Dad hogs the TV that gets all the movie stations :_:

I suppose he might like the sentiment behind it but the fact that it's mandatory for gym class and is needed for a grade doesn't strike me as being right. Not to mention, I can only think of about a paragraph of things to say ^^;

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[info]inthevast
2003-04-12 12:25 pm UTC (link)
lol; rent it, buy it, praticipate in organized crime if you have to, you need to *see* it.

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[info]turnpike
2003-04-11 02:57 pm UTC (link)
i agree, things like that shouldn't be mandatory at all. if someone writes a letter to troops overseas, or anything of the sort, they should do it because they genuinely care, not because they're being forced to do it for a passing grade. that's not fair to the student, or to the troops themselves. also, what does it have to do with gym class? o_O

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[info]hokuto
2003-04-11 05:06 pm UTC (link)
also, what does it have to do with gym class?

My Dad's theory? You have to be very physically fit to be in the marines XD

I was also wondering if this guy is even going to have the time to bother with all these letters from high school gym students. I mean, he is fighting in a war and probably has more important things to intend to ^^;

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